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Thursday, October 15, 2009

Barney Rubble

Barney Rubble, who I suspect is using a fake name, posted an interesting response to my post today:

"Hey Revit Kid -

A counter-point to the article posted...

To assume that an architect with a Master's degree and a family physician have arguably the same amount of schooling and experience, and therefore should be treated with the same amount of respect (financially or otherwise), is laughable.

I know many practicing architects with Master's degrees and most all of them feel the same way you do. It's the arrogance you present that blows away most non-architects when it comes to discussing the importance of what architects do.

The healing of the human body takes far more skill than designing an attractive, functional building (which resides more in an engineer's expertise than an architect, a subject for another time) - and therefore takes more knowledge, training, and experience to become a licensed, practicing physician than it is to become a licensed architect with a Master's degree.

The thrust of your argument is based on the architect as a integral member of any given society, as compared to a doctor. Let's say for argument's sake they are of equal importance: the issue here is not architects vs. doctors, it's architects vs. architects. Many architects concern themselves with performing services as cheaply as possible to guarantee they'll continue to remain in business. They will undercut the competition in order to work, often operating at a loss for extended periods of time just to remain self-employed. This suggests an ignorance of business principles to which most every other industry adheres and survives.

Most doctors with family practices do not concern themselves with these types of constraints, as many fees are derived from federal regulations (Social Security), insurance company guidelines, and the basic knowledge that most everyone will continue to require regular healthcare, thereby guaranteeing repeat business. An architect does not have these luxuries built into his/her practice.

Bottom line, there are too many architects who are in business for themselves that should not be, as this over-abundance of self-important "partners" drives prices down (Supply/Demand). These people, who ignore the time-tested laws of economics because they feel they're more important than they really are, continue to hurt the industry as a whole with their arrogance and selfishness. This is why architects do not make as much as doctors -- not because they can't negotiate."


Thank you Barney Rubble, you are quite a nice write for someone in the stone age. I really enjoyed the entire portion that I bolded. It is something that very few Architects would admit or tell me if I asked them the same questions.

I understand how it could sound arrogant to compare the role of a physician as compared to the role of an architect in society to someone who I suspect is not an architect. Personally, I believe an argument could be posed for both sides. Architects provide a necessity of life; shelter. An architect designed the office and hospital the physician is practicing in. Argue the experience and education if you will but arguing the importance of each will not get anywhere.

The article I posted sparked the argument I presented. It was not the basis of the argument. The dialogue I posted was more of a conversation started and it worked well. I enjoy posting numerous questions like the previous post to start these conversations.

Thanks again Barney and I hope the rest of the Rubbles are doing good!


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Hey Revit Kid,

I think Barney Rubble has a few valid points (architects suck at running a business), and you have somewhat of a point too.

But, dude, why don't you just stick to Revit tutorials. That's what got me coming to your site in the first place. Lately, you're posting about BIM, about IPD, about LEED, and on, and on. Those are all cool topics. But you're a Revit tutorial site are you not?

If not, I can probably pass on coming to your site in the future, while I go to more well-suited (and capable) bloggers on those other topics.

I like you man, but stick to what you know. You're young, and you'll learn that as you get older.
Hi Revit Kid

This Blog is your soapbox ~ You have produced a volume of videos in a very short time.

You have been Blogging about Leeds and IPD because it's what your into at the moment (as are so many) IMHO the mix of postings is right and its your soapbox say what you want.
If you stop posting on your passion (an BIM, IPD, and LEED clearly are a passion for the KID, folks) I will track you down at AU and give you a swift kick in the rear. Blogs that post both sides of an issue and invite a DISCUSSION are rare. Keep up the good work.

And deesee, I can't imagine that the KID will ever stop producing great Revit Vids. So subscribe to his RSS feed already and just check out the posts that you are interested in.
Well, looks like I'm in the minority. Blog on Sir!
Deesee.... you can find my Mission Statement at a link on the right of every page... this is what it reads:

"I would like this blog to contain tutorials done by others and myself. I would also like it to be an archive of the many questions I have received by students about Revit Architecture and the like. Finally, I would like it to encourage the use of Revit in the classroom as not only a tool but a tool that will create a smart and usable building information model."

The very last sentence is where all of the rest of the posts fall. The LEED, BIM, IPD, and etc... posts all revolve around the use of Revit. The benefits of Revit are increased and seen through all of these subjects. Using the same old model of contracts, designing, and efficiency you would only see advantages such as quicker elevations and drawings, faster changes, and the Wow factor.

I understand that I cannot chose who reads my blog but I can chose what is the subject manner. I have plenty of tutorials lined up and ready to go within the next few weeks. If you have not already subscribed to my RSS or Email feed then do so. This was you can see every day what I have posted and if it is only tutorials you are looking for then you will know when they are posted.

I respect your opinion and appreciate it. As you can see with this post the previous post that these topics and conversation are quite popular (hence the comments that are longer than my actual post!)

Feel free to email me if you personally have a tutorial or question you would like to be addressed.

As far as sticking with what I know... these are all topics I know...I may not be a practicing Architect utilizing BIM yet but I have been working at an Architectural firm for 6 years (since I was a sophomore in high school), have two degrees (one in architecture and the other in construction management, and passed the LEED AP exam. We do lots of work with lots of different Architects and engineers. I have seen and learned how each one practices, contracts, bids, and completes a job. I have also taken the time to study every article I find on BIM and IPD. I also studied for two weeks straight to pass the LEED AP exam and learned those topics inside out. I understand that you want to see tutorials but I have to defend the fact that, to the amount of detail I explore in my posts, I KNOW these topics.
Hey there Revit Kid,

Just wanted to first let you know that I do, and will continue to, subscribe to your RSS Feed (that's how I found out about your previous post in the first place). Like I said in my first post, I like you and your site. More importantly, as others here have pointed out, it is your soapbox to do with as you wish.

As for what you do or do not know, there's no real way to argue that I suppose, so I'll just let your posts speak for themselves and let everyone judge that on his or her own over time.

I'll keep watching and reading.

deesee
Kid,
I'm a drafter, not an architect, and I come here to score information on Revit. Now, I understand that architects think they are gods gift and everything but can we just stick to Revit videos and topics? I mean, I'm still waiting on the rest of the Harbor House to be finished.

When I first started checking this site out, I could scroll to the bottom in one click. Now it takes several clicks to reach the end but oddly I'm still seeing the same old tutorials (Level Head Units is almost a month old already).

Please don't turn this blog into something else. Create another one if you want to go off on other stuff.
Brian,

I appreciate your comment and concern but the BIM, IPD, LEED, and Architecture related posts are part of it and have been. I have only been blogging since February of this year and have over 280 posts. Over 20% of those posts are tutorials. Making 80% of them LEED, BIM, IPD, and Architecture related. I do not believe there has been much of a change.

As far as the Harbor House goes... I am having trouble moving forward with it. I do not want to go into to much detail and completely teach the software from start to finish for free. That would be unfair to many of the trainers who are out there busting their butts to teach firms and employees Revit and making a living doing it. When I began the series I did not think of that. I promise that I will continue it one day. I am still planning my means of attack.

Thank you for being a supporter of my blog and I hope you continue reading (even if only to find tutorials). I have some tutorials being posted this week already (that I had planned for a while but had no time to post them).

Enjoy!

Feel free to email me with any other concerns regarding the Harbor House.

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